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August 12, 2009

Shake it up?

Filed under: diet — Tags: , , , , — Lady Who Cooks @ 5:25 pm

Ok, I’m seeing some variances between some of my fav blogs regarding what is acceptable and what is not:

1. Honey-I know is sweet but our ancestors use to eat it, it’s natural and unprocessed.
2. Protein shakes-considered a no-no since it’s processed food
3. Zone bars-also a processed food (though I’ve heard that Lara Bars are acceptable).
4. Fat: Primal diet is all about it though Paleo is not.
5. Dairy: I personally think so dairy except butter since I’ve been much happier body wise without it. Though some say ok butter, yogurt (Greek), and raw milk.

Any suggestions? New findings? Data? Research?


  1. Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth:

    1) Honey is your best option for a sweetener, other than stevia, which tastes weird. But you shouldn't use too much, because it elicits the same insulin response as sugar, which you want to avoid. Grok wouldn't have found a honeypot very often…
    2) By protein shakes, I assume you are referring to the protein powder, as the rest of your shake should be natural. If you are anti-protein powder, then use raw eggs i your shakes instead! Protein powder is processed (though some brands are better than others), so if you're going hardcore, should shouldn't use it. Also, consider the fact that most protein powder is whey protein, which is from dairy. So if you and dairy don't mix, you should not be consuming whey protein powder.
    3) Zone bars are indeed processed. The Zone doesn't care much about processing, but instead obsesses over macronutrient ratios. Their bars are good for that, but not great if you have other goals. Make your own bars! Or just bring nuts, a tiny bit of fruit (dried for portability if you need that), and maybe some dried soybeans for the extra protein kick.
    4) Research seems pretty strong that natural fats are good. Also, Zone recommends fat from their perspective as a great fuel source. They will have you double, triple, or quadruple your fat intake to maintain your body weight if you need more calories, rather than increasing your protein or carbs. Plus, it makes you feel full. Yes please!
    5) Dairy is the hot topic. Most people seem to agree to some degree: if it makes you feel bad, don't eat it; if you feel great after 2 cups of milk and a cup of yogurt, eat it, because it's good protein. Butter, I believe, doesn't have the lactose, so doesn't cause the same issues. I know my body loves the cultures from yogurt for digestion and doesn't seem to have any intolerance for lactose, so I eat it gladly. If you are cutting dairy, then you have to be careful how you replace it. Basically, don't. Soy should not be consumed in remotely large quantities, particularly by men who might want to have children, because of the isoflavones it contains which mimic human estrogen. When it is fermented, the isoflavones are much reduced, so tofu and such are a better option. Soy is a great occasional source of protein, but it should not be had at every meal or even once a day in much quantity. Eggs are a decent substitute if you are ok with the fat. Otherwise, your only solid sources of protein apart from dairy are going to be meat, so you better be prepared to eat a lot of meat and at every meal.

    One of the questions I struggle with still is: do you limit your intake of fruit or not? The Zone says to limit your sugar intake, period, regardless of if it's from "good carbs" or "bad carbs." But when I think about limiting how much fruit I eat, I can't help thinking it's crazy to try to stop eating something so good for you in every way other than its sugar content. Yes, you should always eat fruit with a good source of protein and fat to balance things out, but should I really put down that second handful of blueberries and ration out my strawberries?

    Comment by Maravilla — August 12, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

  2. 1. Well from what I understand berries are in a class by their own. A lot of times they aren't even lumped in with fruit. Here is soemthing that might help you, here's a table (http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/fruits_table.html) of different fruit's sugar content that is posted on http://www.thepaleodiet.com. It will help you see which fruits have a lot of sugar and which don't. Might be a good chance to try some different fruit as well instead of the standard apples and oranges.

    2. Dairy is def out for me. My degestive system is a thousand times better since I gave up milk. I do like the protein shakes and I haven't noticed any negative effects, but I might cut back on that too just to see if it makes a difference.

    3. Soy I know isn't good. We are going to try almond/coconut milk instead. Sounds yummy and it would go great in a shake/dessert.

    4. I'm also going to try to up my fat intake. I've been reading some interesting posts on ByersGetsDiesel.com and a lot of people comment on how an increase of good fat has helped them lose the body fat.

    Thanks for the good info!

    Comment by Abby — August 12, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

  3. Hmm… What's the nutrition info on almond milk? I know coconut milk is basically all fat, right? So where are you getting your protein? How much protein are you consuming per day on average?

    I've gotta look at Byers' site again – so fun!

    Comment by Maravilla — August 12, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

  4. Not sure what my ratios are since I haven't been tracking them online lately. I am going to create a blog for myself that will be a food diary to help me see progression and degressions in my diet. It might be a good accountability factor as well if I can get you guys to look at it once in a while and critic my menu.

    Almond and coconut milk would have a good amount of fat but it's good fat and that's what I'm going for. Plus, I don't drink it that much to make it an indulgence issue, I mainly use milky type stuff for shakes in the morning.

    I eat a variation of salmon burgers, protein shakes, chicken, tuna, turkey, and eggs everyday. My typical day includes avocados, salads, almonds, veggies, water, and fruit with the above mentioned protein as well. Not sure if it's enough or not. I'm going to start tracking again though.

    What's your typical day like?

    Comment by Abby — August 13, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

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